Michael J Williams (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Sat, 2 Oct 1999 22:05:55 +0100
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From: Jurriaan Bendien <email@example.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 1999 6:17 PM
Subject: [OPE-L:1403] Re: Still more on advertising and productive labour
In all significant respects, I think that J.'s summary is excellent.
> Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought it was totally obvious to the point of
> being a platitude that a real capitalist economy cannot be indifferent to
It is. You have quoted my opening remark, but not the argument that
followed, to the conclusion that technical indispensibility of the use-value
of the output is niether a necessary nor sufficient condition for the labour
concerned to be productive. It is that technical relevance of use-values
that is captured in Sraffa type models,
> Indeed, my understanding is that Marx's Capital Vol. 2 is in
> good part devoted to this very point, since it raises the question how
> different classes of goods can be produced distributed and traded in
> proportions such that a relative equilibrium and expanded reproduction can
> result. In the real world this is not an automatic process and hence firms
> cannot be indifferent to it, even though they do not control the
> and distribution process overall (for that you would need a planned
I would only gloss this a little: capital is indifferent to the use-value
composition of output. it is just seeking profits. Individual capitalists
qua character-masks are thus also indifferent.
> So the system is not indifferent to the kinds of use-values being
> but profoundly influenced in its very functioning by those use-values.
I have already dealt with this: relevance of use-value for capitalist
reproduction is an important issue. But it is not what the (un)productive
labour distinction is about.
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