Re: [OPE] FWD: Open letters on the BN archive

From: Paul Cockshott <>
Date: Sat Nov 13 2010 - 16:20:21 EST

I have not seen his book. Have you?
Does he engage with the empirical arguments on the theory of value?

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From: "GERALD LEVY" <>
Subject: Re: [OPE] FWD: Open letters on the BN archive
Date: 13th November 2010
Time: 8:25:04 pm

I must say that Jonathan Nitzan's reply was rather odd. Having re-read
the original exchange and Paul's attempted intervention, it seems clear to
me at least that the latter attempted to address a claim by Leo Panitch.
Yet, Nitzan's reply doesn't even mention Panitch - let alone his reply.
it makes it sound as if the whole exchange centered around Nitzan and
Belcher's book. But, if so, why was Panitch's response printed since
it clearly focused on his (LP's) perspective on value theory. I find this
- and the rest of JN's response to be strange indeed: you would have thought he
would have welcomed your intervention and tried to insert his own perspective
by way of a response rather than just slamming the door and saying, in effect, 'don't
talk to me until you've read our book and want to talk about it".

In solidarity, Jerry

> --- original message ---
> From: "Jonathan Nitzan"
> Subject: Re: Open letters on the BN archive
> Date: 13th November 2010
> Time: 4:42:26 pm
> Dear Paul Cockshott:
> Thank you for your Open Letter. Unfortunately, your intervention doesn't
> address the problem; it merely reproduces it.
> Shimshon Bichler and I wrote a book in 2009, titled Capital as Power
> ( The book articulates a broad critique
> of conventional and Marxist political economy. It contains three
> chapters that deal directly with Marx's labour theory of value,
> including, among other things, 20th century attempts to empirically test
> that theory (such as your own research and the research of others you
> mention). The book also lays out the beginning of an alternative
> approach to political economy.
> This is the background for Stefanos' Open Letter. As I read it, the
> letter is a general call to Marxists: engage with new critical theories
> and evidence, or be left with a dogma.
> It seems to me that your reply does exactly what Stefanos warns against.
> Judging by your text, I assume you havenít read our book. But this
> doesnít prevent you from reiterating your position, regardless of the
> argument we level against it.
> If and when you do read our book, we will gladly consider your critique.
> With best of wishes,
> Jonathan
> On 10/11/2010 6:54 AM, Paul Cockshott wrote:
> > Hi there, I read the exchange of open letters that just appeared on
> > your archive in response to a conference at your University.
> > I enclose a further open letter that I would like to contribute.
> >
> > The University of Glasgow, charity number SC004401
> >
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