Re: [OPE] intermission: value of knowledge

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Date: Thu Nov 19 2009 - 08:33:16 EST

Oi Denise

Acho melhor a gente marcar uma entrevista pessoal. Para mim o melhor
seria na quinta-feira, 26 de novembro ąs 10hs aqui na FEA/USP. Me
responda dizendo se estį OK.



Citando Paul Cockshott <>:

> Paula wrote:
>> Paul C wrote:
>>> But the same can be said of many industrial products.
>>> The information content of two ( you can have any colour you want so long
>>> as it is black ) model T Fords was the same.
>>> It was this information content that distinguished a Ford from a Buick.
>> Yes, but their value would not depend on that information content,
>> only on the amount of abstract labor-time needed for the production
>> of each car. Indeed a Ford and a Buick can have exactly the same
>> value even though the information content differs.
> I agree with this. I am not saying that information is value. What I
> am saying is that it costs work to produce certain types of
> information, and that the information has a value. This is then
> amortised accross the multiple copies of the information that are
> made.
>> Another example comes to mind here, that of 'fake' brand goods. A
>> factory, say, produces luxury handbags, but some of them are
>> smuggled onto the black market. All the handbags are produced the
>> same way, but the legal ones are the 'genuine brand', therefore
>> they carry a different information content and sell for a much
>> higher price. I would argue, however, that the value is the same.
>> The difference in information content does not enter into it.
> One has to be clear what one means by the difference in information
> content here.
> Does it mean more or less information or different information. I
> doubt that the
> genuine Dior items have more information.
>> Paula
>> PS - regarding Jurriaan's comments, it's fine to start 'by
>> inventorizing the ways in which intellectual property is actually
>> sold, and what sort of property rights pertain to it'. But if we
>> are trying to decide whether knowledge has value, then at some
>> point we would indeed have to abstract from these markets, since
>> value is produced before exchange.
>> Also, knowledge is not exactly the same as information, but the two
>> are closely related. Here we are considering whether labor that
>> produces knowledge and/or information is productive of value.
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