Re: [OPE] One party state?

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Date: Mon Jun 08 2009 - 06:18:15 EDT

A Agafonow

Your previous post saying that US democracy is closer to real democracy
than Cuban democracy shows exactly what I said. Either you do not know what
you are talking about or you back the oppressor against the oppressed. The
US is an imperialist state that oppresses Cuba and the underdeveloped
world. Cuba has made a stand in defence of the oppressed people of the
world. Your stand is in defence of the privileges of the oppressor.

Your resort to slogans when your back is against the wall. I am a Marxist
and a Leninist. I believe Lenin was correct in his ideological struggle
against Stalin and Trotsky. Your insults show your lack of understanding of
capitalism and imperialism.

David Yaffe

At 15:37 07/06/2009 +0000, you wrote:

>D. Yaffe, can you offer a quotation from my posts in support of your
>accusation that I back imperialism or the oppressors over the oppressed? I
>assume you have clearly identified these items that allegedly uncover my
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>Please, let’s be serious. Let’s try to avoid propaganda which only
>satisfies the thirst of retaliation on behalf of your Stalinist militancy.
>OPE is intended to be beyond this, isn’t it?
>A. Agafonow
>De: "" <>
>Para: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <>
>Enviado: domingo, 7 de junio, 2009 16:53:44
>Asunto: RE: [OPE] One party state?
>I totally share Jerry's view. There is little point in continuing the
>discussion without understanding class interests. Democracy is simply a
>bourgeois concept in Alejandro's hands - it stands for the status quo -
>the rule of the imperialists, the oppressors over the oppressed.
>David Yaffe
>At 15:20 07/06/2009 +0100, you wrote:
>> > The problem Jerry is that you are an apologist of left wing dictators.
>>The problem is that you don't recognize what a dictatorship is and isn't.
>>What you consistently refuse to do is introduce *class* into the analysis
>>of the meaning of democracy and dictatorship. Because you don't employ
>>class analysis, you are trapped in a narrow BOURGEOIS understanding of
>>the meaning of democracy - you fail to grasp the meaning of BOURGEOIS
>>DEMOCRACY. The many millions of people who don't share the US- and
>>Euro-Centric liberal capitalist interpretation of democracy and the goals
>>of international imperialism understand that that *any* government which
>>is in favor in practice of self-determination and governance and control
>>of the economy by working people will be denounced by imperialism and
>>its defenders as being dictatorships. The question isn't who is or isn't
>>an apologist for "left wing dictators"; the question is who is an apologist
>>for capital and imperialism.
>>In solidarity, Jerry_______________________________________________
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