Re: [OPE] The Crisis of the Euro

From: paul bullock <>
Date: Sun Jan 25 2009 - 16:12:52 EST


given your enthusiasm for Rosa ( which we all share I imagine) i'm a bit
suprised that you say you are slowly trying to read up on
imperialism......although such an honest staement does reflect the
peculiarly common position amongst left 'economists'....

 . anyway, I wanted to say that 'accusations' of fascism were not
inaccurate in the cases of Mussolini's Italy, Nazi Germany and Japan during
the second inter-imperalist world slaughter.... so I guess you are worried
about the use of the term in the case of ....... USA? UK? France? ... When
imperialist states become more seriously debilitated by economic crisis then
it is clear that the use of violence by the state against the working class,
and the removal of democratic rights is typical. If we take it that inter
imperialist rivalry, whatever its particular forms, will deepen as the
struggle for markets and materials deepens, then the political definition of
fascism will in fact become more appropriate for such states. This is not
to be pessimistic about the role of the working class must take on, but a
reflection on the lesson of modern history. With respect to 'leftists'...
well we don't live in a world where emmotions and reactions are all
concisely expressed by a universal standard use of words....and that is no
excuse for understanding and demonstrating the fact of imperialism.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Zachariah" <>
To: "Outline on Political Economy mailing list" <>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OPE] The Crisis of the Euro

> paul bullock wrote:
>> You are quite right, that there seems to be an absolute fear of
>> discussing imperialism by many in the acedemic/socialist/ heterodox etc
>> area... which if one compares the open investigation of the subject by
>> classical liberals at the turn of the 20th century eg Hobson, or
>> Schumpeter , is quite striking.
> I'm slowly trying to read up on the topic of imperialism. But my
> impression is that it is not a discussion that is 'feared' among left-wing
> intellectuals but rather imperialism after de-colonisation of most of the
> world was a lot harder to comprehend and analyse than in the days of
> Hobson and Lenin. The political and economic dominance of the US in the
> world has operated quite differently than the British state during its
> peak.
> Moreover, I think 'imperialism' as a concept has lost its accuracy by
> misuse by leftists. C.f. the accusations of 'fascist'.
> //Dave Z
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