Re: [OPE] Absolutely Divine Everyday, Why social justice specious idea V.3.0

From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@dcs.gla.ac.uk)
Date: Fri Jun 20 2008 - 06:50:02 EDT


Whilst as you say, it is not primarily a nationalist question, certain 
elements of
national culture do enter into this.

I am a scientist not a philosopher, but the impression I get from what 
modern
philosophy that I do read, is that the style of arguments in Michael's 
documents
is striking different from that in modern English or even French philosophy
texts.

This impression may, of course be because I have tended to read 
philosophers of science
rather than those interested in theology. Since you have studied 
philosophy both
in Britain and in Germany you would be better placed to comment on this 
than me.


Dog(an Gmen wrote:
> This is not a nationalist battle. It is a battle between right-wing 
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> Heidegger, Schmitt and Jnger are all very right-wing writers. This is 
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> Dog(an Gmen
> Author of The Adam Smith Problem:
> Reconciling Human Nature and Society in
> The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations,
> I. B. Tauris, London&New York 2007
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alejandro Agafonow <alejandro_agafonow@yahoo.es>
> To: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <ope@lists.csuchico.edu>
> Sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:56
> Subject: Re: [OPE] Absolutely Divine Everyday, Why social justice 
> specious idea V.3.0
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> The fact that Michael Eldred is or not German is beyond the point.
> We might disagree with him and wonder why he is participating in this 
> mailing list. But we should not make this disagreement a question of 
> nationalist battles.
> A. Agafonow
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> De: Dog(an Gmen <dogangoecmen@aol.com <mailto:dogangoecmen@aol.com>>
> Para: artefact@web.de <mailto:artefact@web.de>; ope@lists.csuchico.edu 
> <mailto:ope@lists.csuchico.edu>
> Enviado: jueves, 19 de junio, 2008 11:17:36
> Asunto: Re: [OPE] Absolutely Divine Everyday, Why social justice 
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> What is philosophically not worthless for you, fascist Heidegger? 
> German intellectuals still suffer from defeat of World War II. 
> Therefore, start again with Heidegger?
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> <http://presence.webmail.aol.com/IM/?sn=dogangoecmen&locale=en-gb&pd=0'> ----------------------
> Dog(an Gmen
> Author of The Adam Smith Problem:
> Reconciling Human Nature and Society in
> The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations,
> I. B. Tauris, London&New York 2007
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Eldred <artefact@t-online.de <mailto:artefact@t-online.de>>
> To: Paul Cockshott <wpc@dcs.gla.ac.uk <mailto:wpc@dcs.gla.ac.uk>>; 
> Outline on Political Economy mailing list <ope@lists.csuchico.edu 
> <mailto:ope@lists.csuchico.edu>>
> Sent: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:44
> Subject: Re: [OPE] Absolutely Divine Everyday, Why social justice 
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> Cologne 19-Jun-2008
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> > From: Michael Eldred [mailto:artefact@t-online.de <mailto:artefact@t-online.de?>]
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> > From: ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu <mailto:ope-bounces@lists.csuchico.edu> on behalf of Michael Eldred
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> > Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 3:23 PM
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> > To: Heidegger, An-archos; SPHS; artefact philosophy; OPE, List
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> > Subject: [OPE] Absolutely Divine Everyday,Why social justice is a specious 
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