Re: [OPE-L] salto mortale

From: Jerry Levy (Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM)
Date: Sat Mar 03 2007 - 14:03:40 EST

Paul C wrote:
> In socialist society gold will remain more valuable than copper or lead.
> Society may be able to afford to roof halls with copper, but not gold.

Paul and Allin:

Look before you leap.

I asked about  *value*  not what is deemed to be  *valuable*.

I agree that one product in socialist society could be considered
to be more valuable than another product.  I disagree that this
by itself represents the social relations associated with value.

It would also be the case in advanced socialist societies that
one product could be deemed to be more valuable than some
other products.  So too under communism!

Now that we have looked into the future, let's look backwards
into our past.  In every human society throughout history, labor
has been allocated to produce different goods for which those
societies associate different 'value', i.e. they consider that one product
is preferred or more necessary than other products and hence
are deemed to be more valuable.  So too when people lived in caves!
For instance, they might find a deer to be more valuable than a
rabbit or strawberries to be more valuable than edible weeds.

If then we are to call this valuation 'value' then we arrive at the
conclusion that value has always existed in human history and
always will!

But, wait, it doesn't stop there.  Many other species spend
time engaging in harvesting (a form of production) and often eat
more than one type of food.  Yet, for those species that can eat
more than one type of food,  it is well known that different
species tend to prefer some types of food over others.  For
instance, a lion could eat an antelope or a field rat, etc.  Even a
lion has to decide which prey to chase and kill and in so doing
decides to allocate work effort and time on one endeavor or
another.  This does not require that these species understand
'concepts'  such as work or time.  These species could then be
said to find one type of food to be more 'valuable' than other
types of food.

If then we call this valuation 'value' then we arrive at the
conclusion that value is natural and eternal!  A corollary to
this is that struggle against the value system is futile.

In solidarity, Jerry

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