Re: [OPE-L] what is irrational in the functioning of capitalism?

From: Jerry Levy (Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM)
Date: Wed Nov 29 2006 - 09:27:44 EST

>  In the long-rung Marx did not deny the possibility that human beings 
> can step aside the direct production and work just as observers of 
> production process. But even as observers human beings are 
> absolutely necessary for production.

Hi Dogan:

If human beings become merely observers to the production process can 
it still be said that they are engaged in production labor?

It way be that production units under capitalism may desire 'guard labor' ,
but is guard labor production labor?  Note, also, that there have been any
number of advances in surveillance and electronic monitoring technologies 
that makes the elimination of (corporate and privately-employed) guard 
labor a distinct possibility.  

> I rather prefer to pose the question whether production is possible without 
> capitalists.

Well, for socialists at any rate, that's not a controversial question. Even 
mainstream economists -- unless they believe in the myth that capitalism 
has always existed -- would be forced to recognize that production as
such (production in general) does not require capitalists.  _Capitalist_ 
production, however, does (among other things) require a capitalist class.

In solidarity, Jerry

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