Re: (OPE-L) Re: the specific social relations [of production] associated with value

From: Howard Engelskirchen (howarde@TWCNY.RR.COM)
Date: Fri Jun 04 2004 - 18:26:01 EDT

Hi Jerry,

I thought I said the opposite.  I intended to anyway.  No, I don't think
there's any place for relations of value in a classless society.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald A. Levy" <Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: [OPE-L] (OPE-L) Re: the specific social relations [of production]
associated with value

> Hi Howard.
> > It might be worth making explicit a political consequence of this debate
> > that is of no small significance.  If value exists only where there is
> > capital, then we can exchange products  for gold under communism.
> > socialism will certainly play an important role in any transition, to be
> > sure, but there is also the theoretical question of whether markets are
> > compatible with the social form that we want to transition to.  If
> > no necessary connection between value and markets, they are.  This is a
> > whole other debate, I realize, but I think the implications of Marx's
> theory
> > are to the contrary.
> So -- from your perspective -- the social relations [of production]
> associated with value can persist in a  *classless*  society? (Maybe
> I have misunderstood you but that seems to be what you are suggesting.)
> Of course, there _are_ necessary connections between value and
> markets.  Did anyone suggest otherwise?
> In solidarity, Jerry

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