[OPE-L:6263] Re: archives

Ajit Sinha (ecas@cc.newcastle.edu.au)
Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:40:31 +1000

The reason I opened the archive discussion again is that Barkley Rosser had
come to my panel at Chicago, and he was interested in knowing what I
thought of Alan Freeman and Co.'s proposed solution to the transformation
problem. I told him about the debate between me and the TSS people that
took place on ope-l. He is quite interested in reading this debate. He also
informed me that he had approached you, but you declined to let him in the
archive (which you were right to do, according to the policy). I do think
that the archive should be opened up or some decision should be taken on
it. But before we could get there, may I ask everybody concerned to allow
Barkley in the archive. If nobody has any objection, then we should follow
the precedent established in the case of Simon's student. Cheers, ajit sinha

At 09:14 10/03/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Ajit wrote on Tue, 10 Mar:
>> Hello All! I'm coming back after a few months, and don't know what has
>> gone on while I was away. <snip>
>Welcome back, Ajit!
>> On a completely another note: Did we come up with any decision on ope-l
>> archives? <snip>
>To refresh everyone's memory:
>1) The most recent discussion regarding whether the archives should remain
> closed (i.e. for listmembers only) or be opened was in September,
> 1997. That discussion began with a proposal that I made on 9/13 (see
> [OPE-L:5454]).
>2) During September, there were 34 posts written by 18 listmembers re the
> proposal on the archives. Approximately two-thirds of those responding
> supported the proposal to open the archives. There was, however, a
> significant and growing (i.e. relative to other times we discussed the
> archives) minority who opposed opening the archives (and a couple of
> other members had ambivalent feelings on the issue).
>3) As I noted in "THE MONTH IN REVIEW [September, 1997]", I had hoped
> that we would continue that discussion in October and come to a
> decision -- aye or nay -- on the proposal. The anticipated discussion
> in October did not materialize and the issue has not been discussed
> on-list since.
>4) Since the archives were closed prior to the proposal and since the
> proposal was not decided upon (i.e. we did not have consensus and we
> did not have a vote), the archives remain closed.
>5) We do, however, have one precedent in which a listmember (Simon) asked
> if a student of his could be shown some posts from the archives on a
> specific subject. Since no one objected, it happened. I see no reason
> why that could not happen again.
>6) It seems to me that if we are to re-open this discussion then those
> favoring opening the archives will have to respond more directly to
> the concerns expressed by Duncan, Mike L, Paul Z, and others. I am
> still of the opinion that a compromise is possible that will satisfy
> everyone's concerns, but it will require a real attempt to reach a
> compromise.
>I hope the above answers your question.
>In solidarity, Jerry