Re: [OPE] Britain--parasitic and decaying capitalism: A comment

From: D. Göçmen <>
Date: Wed Dec 30 2009 - 08:57:51 EST

As I see the debate is not just about Lenin's theory of imperialism whether it was valid at that time when it was formulated but also whether it can be used to explain the more contemporary developments. So the question we discus is in fact about whether the contemporary developments are contradictory in nature or not. If yes, then we have to use the method Lenin used to explain the nature of imperialism as David and I claim. If not, then we have to use another theoretical device. It is suggested by Paul C that Kautsky's ultraimperialism is a better theoretical device and this is also implied by Dave Z. But then if you rely on Kautsky's hypothesis you have to explain the contradictory nature of current developments. How do we account for them if we reject right from the beginning the contradiction is the principle we have to rely on.




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I'm afraid I haven't been following this thread closely - I've had other matters
on my mind recently - but I have a suggestions. Since most of the commentators
appear to be getting frustrated with the discussion, my suggestion is that you
all move away (at least, temporaily) from a discussion of Lenin's theory of
imperialism and its possible interpretation and implications, to a discussion
which centers around identifying what *facts* related to the contemporary
international capitalist system you are in disagreement about. If you can first
identify what are the factual disagreements, then you can bring forth historical
and empirical evidence in support of your understanding of those "facts".
Dave Z: what *specific* factual claims which David made in his article are you
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