Re: [OPE] Venezuela is the most democratic country in Latin America

From: Alejandro Agafonow <>
Date: Thu Mar 05 2009 - 06:01:59 EST

This is an **opinion article** and not an editorial, Diego.   But since these media are the only one in disposition to criticize Chávez, these sources are a good point of departure to nurture at lest a skeptical position about the allegedly virtues of Chávez --something that should be natural among socialists.  A. Agafonow ________________________________ De: Diego Guerrero <> Para: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <> Enviado: jueves, 5 de marzo, 2009 11:43:42 Asunto: Re: [OPE] Venezuela is the most democratic country in Latin America  Why to "giv[e] to El País the benefit of the doubt" if it backed the coup against Chávez (in 2002) that put in power the president of the employers?   Diego     ----- Original Message ----- From: Alejandro Agafonow To: Outline on Political Economy mailing list Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [OPE] Venezuela is the most democratic country in Latin America In a country with strong institutions of accountability, features like those below would motivate an investigation on the part of competent authorities.   Los Chávez en su Feudo   Bienvenidos a ‘Chavezlandia’   But these institutions are being dismantled in Venezuela . Our last hope relies on the socialists, who we expect to have untouched integrity and the courage to denounce any departure from strict transparency criteria. Well, some these socialist in Venezuela react, not giving to El País the benefit of the doubt, but openly insulting this newspaper, like did José Sant Roz in Aporrea:   Concerning OPE-L, there is a big problem with its design. As far as I understand it was conceived to let a group of socialist scholars to debate controversial issues beyond the biases that daily militancy life impose. But since its archives are open, some of these socialists feel obliged to show their loyalty with the militancy, with which I suspect they have tight-bounds.   It is a pity but in this scenario a sincere and transparent discussion is impossible.  A. Agafonow ________________________________ De: GERALD LEVY <> Para: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <> Enviado: miércoles, 4 de marzo, 2009 20:20:02 Asunto: RE: [OPE] Venezuela is the most democratic country in Latin America >  where the mother of Chávez appeared sumptuously dressed.     Let's see the picture, Alejandro. If  Chavez's mother was so "sumptuously dressed", I imagine _lots_ of people saw that and lots of pictures were taken.     > Your tolerance of these abuses     No, what you are seeing it is my *intolerance* of the spreading of  *urban myths* on this list. Anyone is free to say what they want on this list, provided it is not a flame, but if claims are made then the person making them (in this case, you) should be held accountable to others on the list.   >  you don’t support accountability mechanisms indeed .     See above. I am holding *you* accountable for *your* claims. Please note that I am *in NO way* threatening you. On the contrary, the worst that can happen to you is simply that others on the list and the readers of the archive will know that your claims about Chavez can not  be supported with credible, independent evidence.  Frankly, I think they've already seen more than enough to come to that assessment, but I leave it to others to come to their own conclusions.   In solidarity, Jerry ________________________________ _______________________________________________ ope mailing list

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