Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela!

From: Alejandro Agafonow <>
Date: Tue Feb 17 2009 - 06:03:54 EST

Enough! I am tired to deal with this 19th-Century-Socialist mentality, as if USSR, Chinese Cultural Revolution and Cambodian Pol Pot never happened. As if liberty, in its all dimensions, doesn’t worth.   I’m not going to answer anymore posts which underrate these high philosophical issues. In due time I’ll deal with you in the proper circles. For the sake of REAL SOCIALISM you have to be unmasked by a socialist.  A. Agafonow ________________________________ De: "" <> Para: Enviado: martes, 17 de febrero, 2009 11:09:48 Asunto: Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! You have to have first understand history as a history of class strugles, then, you will be able to understand the contradictions around you.... Only after that you are allowed to say "shame on you..." if I leave the path. As long as you have not done that all your words are reflected back to you... -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Agafonow <> To: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:03 Subject: Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! Could you have the decency of providing a statement with a minimal analytical coherence? You don’t want Guantánamo but blindly tolerate political prisoners and political entry barriers, as far as they are carried out by Stalinists.   Shame on you Dogan!!!  A. Agafonow ________________________________ De: "" <> Para: Enviado: martes, 17 de febrero, 2009 10:35:47 Asunto: Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! Guatánamo is about to close after almost a decade of one of the most intolerant and fundamentalist conservatives of USA, Jeorge Bush. Socialism is about establishing a human society that removes any (even smallest) source of erec ting Guatánamos. Socialism is about establishing a society that makes for the first time in the history of humanity positive liberties first possible. Negative liberties are not liberties at all. They are capitalist limits to human freedom. Socialism is about establishing of a society that makes  in the history of humanity plurality of ideas for the first time possible. Capitalist plurality, if there is plurality in capitalism at all,  is dictated by the interested of capitalists and profit making structures.You keep to your prophet Isaiah Berlin who preferred capitalist pluralism to emancipation of humanity from any form of exploitation and oppression. I prefer Marx to establish a society which enables all individuals to use their positive liberty. And I am prepared to remove any obstacle on this way. In your drunkenness of liberal patriotism you should not forget that it is capitalism that makes Nazism possible and carries with itself germs of fascism. Socialism is about extinguishing these germs. Thank to Chavez and socialist fighters in Venezuela humanity is again able to see a light that leads out of capitalist and potentially fascist regimes. Go on with you liberal patriotism. We will see where you will end up. go on... -----Original Message----- From: Alejandro Agafonow <> To: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <ope@l> Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 8:38 Subject: Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! P. Bullock.   Poliarchies can not prevent ex-ante corruption or abuses of power. But poliarchies can correct these deviations better than a Stalinist regime whose disregard for pluralism diminishes negative liberties. Even USA, one of the weakest democratic regimes, is able to correct these deviations.  Guatánamo is about to close after almost a decade of one of the most intolerant and fundamentalist conservatives of USA, Jeorge Bush.   Can we expect the correction of some aberrations of the Cuban regime: release of political prisoners and lifting of entry barrier for political parties?   These corrections are unlikely because we don’t have poliarchic institutions in Cuba, and less and less in Venezuela.  A. Agafonow =0 A ________________________________ De: paul bullock <> Para: Outline on Political Economy mailing list <> Enviado: martes, 17 de febrero, 2009 1:00:28 Asunto: Re: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! Subject: 2 Pennsylvania. Judges Admit Jailing Kids For Cash >2 Pa. Judges Admit Jailing Kids For Cash > Plead Guilty To Fraud For Taking $2.6M In Kickbacks To Send Teens To > Private Detention Centers > > WILKES-BARRE, Pa., Feb. 12, 2009 > > (CBS/ AP) Two Pennsylvania judges charged with taking millions of dollars > in kickbacks to send youth offenders to privately run detention centers > pleaded guilty to fraud Thursday in one of the most stunning cases of > judicial corruption on record. > > Prosecutors allege Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael > Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups > run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, possibly tainting the > convictions of thousands of juvenile offenders. > > The judges pleaded guilty in federal court in Scranton to honest services > fraud and tax fraud. Their plea agreements call for sentences of more than > seven years in prison. They were permitted to remain free pending =0 A> sentencing. > > The gray-haired jurists said little at Thursday's hearing, and declined to > comment to reporters afterward. > > Prosecutors described a scheme in which Conahan, the former president > judge of Luzerne County, shut down the county-owned juvenile detention > center in 2002 and signed an agreement with PA Child Care LLC to send > youth offenders to its new facility outside Wilkes-Barre. > > Ciavarella, who presided over juvenile court, sent youths to the detention > center while he was taking payments, prosecutors said. > > For years, youth advocacy groups complained that Ciavarella was > ridiculously harsh and ran roughshod over youngsters' constitutional > rights. Ciavarella sent a quarter of his juvenile defendants to detention > centers from 2002 to 2006, compared with a statewide rate of one in 10. > > Among the offenders were teenagers who were locked up for months for > stealing loose change from cars, writing a prank note and possessing drug > paraphernalia. Many had never been in trouble before, and some were > imprisoned even after probation officers recommended against it. Many of > the youths didn't have attorneys. > > Ciavarella has specifically denied sending kids to jail for cash, and had > indicated he would not go through with the guilty plea if the government > offered that as evidence. > > Th us prosecutors left out any mention Thursday of a quid pro quo, > presenting only enough evidence to establish that crimes had occurred. > > But Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Zubron said after the hearing that the > government continues to allege a quid pro quo. "We're not negotiating > that, no. We're not backing off," he said. > > The prosecutor said it will be up to U.S. District Judge Edwin Kosik to > settle the matter. Kosik could reject the proposed sentence as too light > if he decides there was a quid pro quo. > > "I think there will be significant disagreements as to what the facts > are," Zubrod said. "Was there a connection between the payments and the > money, and young people going to prison? Those are issues that are going > to be addressed later by the court. There's going to be plenty of time to > fight about that." > > The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the > Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward. > > Fifteen-year-old Bernadine Wallace was sentenced to a month in lock-up for > a threatening note she posted on her MySpace page, reports CBS News > correspondent Seth Doane. > > "I was thinking to myself, 'I don't deserve this. I don't think that I did > that much wrong. I'm not a criminal'," she said. > > "You saw the judges come out of court toda y. How were you feeling?" Doane > asked Wallace's mother. > > "Angry," Flo Wallace said. "How did they get to walk out with all these > charges? When she went in front of them, she got out of shackles." > Kurt Kruger, now 22, pictured at left, had never been in trouble with the > law until the day police accused him of acting as a lookout while his > friend shoplifted less than $200 worth of DVDs from Wal-Mart. He said he > didn't know his friend was going to steal anything. > > Kruger pleaded guilty before Ciavarella and spent three days in a > company-run juvenile detention center, plus four months at a youth > wilderness camp run by a different operator. > > "Never in a million years did I think that I would actually get sent away. > I was completely destroyed," said Kruger, who later dropped out of school. > He said he wants to get his record expunged, earn his high school > equivalency diploma and go to college. > > "I got a raw deal, and yeah, it's not fair," he said, "but now it's 100 > times bigger than me." > --- -- Original Message ----- From: Alejandro Agafonow To: OPE List Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: [OPE] Farewell Venezuela! =0 A Venezuelans have voted to diminish the Venezuelan democracy.< /span>   Another philosophical conundrum comparable to the popular support of the Nazi regime.   Again, Socialists discrediting the socialist program. Socialism had not been so far ever.   Farewell Venezuela !  Alejandro Agafonow ________________________________ _______________________________________________ ope mailing list _______________________________________________ ope mailing list ________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. _______________________________________________ ope mailing list < a href=""> ________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

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