AW: [OPE] Services (->Paula)

From: Peter Fleissner <>
Date: Sat Jan 03 2009 - 09:39:33 EST

Paula and Jurrian,


As I am new on the list I am not quite sure if I can just jump into your
discussion, maybe already going on for years.


Anyway, your notion on services and unproductive/productive labor attracted
my attention. I tried to combine the Marxian reproduction scheme with a
Leontief I-O economy and split the branches of production into material
production and services. The criterion I used is the ability of a branch of
production to contribute to the surplus product. Services cannot directly
contribute to it, and therefore they cannot contribute to surplus value nor
to profits on the capitalist surface. This is particularly true for the
financial sector. I developed this approach in detail and applied it
empirically to the Austrian I-O table of 2003 (I attach a paper which was
published in the Journal Wirtschaft und Gesellschaft, Vol 3 2008.
Unfortunately, it is written in German).


I am looking forward to any reaction from your side




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Thanks for the advice, Jurriaan, I'll take a look at those archives and look
forward to seeing your paper when it's ready. I'll be writing something
about this soon, too.

Happy new year to everyone.



From: Jurriaan <> Bendien

Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:40 AM


Subject: [OPE] Services (->Paula)




I am in the process of writing a paper on this, I will post the draft
version when it's done. I had a discussion with Michael Williams about this
ten years ago, which is in the OPE-L archives This was in
the context of a broader discussion about productive en unproductive labour,
which flared up again several times later. I was a bit
naive in my approach to the topic at the time, and raised the issue with
several other scholars specializing in the topic.


The ideas of the New Marxist Exploiting Class about this are very unreliable
- they lack an understanding of (1) Marx, (2) the political economists he
was criticizing, (3) economic history, (4) the literature of the modern era
(5) the logical implications of theories, and in addition they are quite
unable to think through the problems properly for themselves. What they love
rather is the radical rhetoric en fervour, testifying the faith, and having
a respected reputation for their "revolutionary" views, while they cream off
rich helpings of public money and of free labour from gullible people. To
get real answers, I think you have to get rid of the intellectual world of
Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Autonomism and New Leftism because they all
get in the way of a real understanding of things. I suppose this is is a
controversial view, but I think it is true.




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