Re: [OPE] Dialectics for the New Century -money and the state

From: paul bullock (
Date: Fri Apr 11 2008 - 18:12:53 EDT


Paul C and I are discussing pre capitalist relations and the development of money. 

Paul B.
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  Pauls C, B, Z and Dogan:
  The way in which Geert and Mike W in _Value-Form and the State_
  got around the conundrum was to begin their systematic dialectical 
  reconstruction in thought of capitalism with the dialectic of 
  sociation-dissociation-association.  Beginning with that starting point, 
  rather than the commodity, they were able to present a clear _logical_ 
  link between the analysis of capital and the state.
  Insofar as one wants to develop a systematic dialectical analysis, then a
  historical explanation for the role of the state in relation to
  money and the development of commodity exchange is insufficient
  *by itself* (although it is presupposed that one has grasped the 
  relevant historical data and experiences before one begins -
  or, at least, publishes - the exposition).   What is required is to
  logically connect the two subjects so that the subject of the state
  arises from the contradictions inherent in the character of capital
  (of course, some anarchists might put it the other way around).
  The issue, in other words, here shouldn't be whether there is a 
  connection between the state and capital. Obviously, there is.
  Rather, the issue is how that relationship can be fully and logically 
  expressed and unpacked. That, in turn, from a systematic dialectical 
  perspective, centers (at least, initially) on the question of the 
  'starting point': i.e. is the 'starting point' of the 'commodity' in 
  the exposition sufficient to grasp this dialectic?
  In solidarity, Jerry


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