**From:** Ian Wright (*wrighti@acm.org*)

**Date:** Wed Apr 02 2008 - 15:50:29 EDT

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> Formal logic is synonymous with mathematical logic: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_logic > > Computation is not "more abstract than" mathematics: > rather, it is a a subject which _is_ mathematics and, > hence, utilizes formal logic. Trotsky noted that dialectical logic does not negate formal logic but is a generalization of it: formal logic is, in a sense, a "special case" of dialectical logic. All formal inference systems can be executed by a universal Turing machine. In a precise sense therefore all formal logic is a special case of the "logic" of a universal Turing machine. And Computer Science is definitely not just mathematics. > Also, the very architecture of the computer is dependent > on the binary system - by definition, an expression of > mathematical / formal logic. You equate computation with "computer", and by that you probably mean your PC. Computations can be realized in many kinds of systems; for example, in our brains, in chemical soups, upon analog devices, upon collections of people etc. And some physicists seriously entertain the idea that the basic stuff of the universe, the "ontology" of the "whole world", is fundamentally on/off bits. The more you look into this area the more you will realize that the notion of "computation" is both as elusive and as general as the concept of "dialectic". That's because, in some deep sense, they are the same. In my view it's high-time to move on from an exclusive focus on *natural language* dialectics and begin to tool-up for the modern age. _______________________________________________ ope mailing list ope@lists.csuchico.edu https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/ope

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