Re: [OPE-L] Incoherence of the TSSI - near consensus

From: glevy@PRATT.EDU
Date: Mon Oct 22 2007 - 09:29:20 EDT

>>You do know that Andrew doesn't consider himself to be a Marxist
>>economist, don't you?
> This is a bit hairsplitting.

Hi Anders:

Tell that to Andrew! (Can I be there when you tell him?  I want to see
the show.) I can assure you (based on a reading of many articles and
messages which he has written) that if you refer to him as a Marxist
economist, it will _not_ be well received by him!  Indeed, he would
consider it to be an insult. (Well, that's Andrew ....)

> Kliman wrote Reclaiming Marx' Capital. That book is taking Marx dead
> serious.

I don't think that it takes the objections which have been made to his
interpretation seriously.  I will say, though, that I think Kliman
understands Marx well.  That makes his interpretation all the more
objectionable since he so chooses to ignore the evidence that he is aware
of. We know that he is aware of that evidence because he has been
confronted with it here and elsewhere.

> If Kliman is not a Marxist economist, then nobody is.

See above.

>>Been there, done that. Over the course of many, many years.  It hasn't
>>worked.  If/when they commit outrages, then they should be held to task
>>for that. Had you and others been more willing to confront them about
>>those offenses then I wouldn't have had to.
> But you are not calling for support in your fight of what you see as
> their sectarianism, you call for a vote on:
> a) In their use of logic
> b) their reporting of the views of those with whom they disagree
> c) and in the elaboration of their own fundamental categories
> ... and that is quite the same thing.

As you know, I did not call for a vote.  I asked if there was consensus or
near consensus on the concluding paragraph of the note by Simon and
Roberto V.  Had we heard from more listmembers then I think it would have
been safe to conclude that there is *near* consensus on those claims.
Just as there is *near* consensus on the claim that in several specified
ways (identified in the thread on that previously: e.g. "Marx's Marxism";
"The Scrorecard", the "First Thesis on Marxian Economics", etc.) they (K
especially) has been dogmatic.

In solidarity, Jerry

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