Re: [OPE-L] Louis N. Proyect's complaint about John Holloway

From: John Holloway (johnholloway@PRODIGY.NET.MX)
Date: Thu May 17 2007 - 08:17:23 EDT

Thanks Jerry, the comparison with the Irish Setter is fun. John

El 17/5/07 06:34, "glevy@PRATT.EDU" <glevy@PRATT.EDU> escribió:

> Another textbook example of how _not_ to seriously engage the political
> positions of others on the Left is provided by the "unrepentant"
> Louis N. Proyect.  Note, especially, the photo of John H selected by the
> unrepentant.  Of course, it's entirely accidental that the dog referred
> to was an _Irish_ Setter.
> In solidarity, Jerry
>> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:50:52 -0400
>> From: Louis Proyect <lnp3@PANIX.COM>
>> Subject: [PEN-L] John Holloway's complaint
>> With the resurgence of a Latin American left
>> expressed mainly by elected governments
>> challenging the capitalist system to one degree
>> or another, there has been a corresponding
>> decline of "autonomist" currents such as the
>> EZLN and the more ideologically disposed
>> supporters and members of the piqueteros and
>> recovered factories movement in Argentina. It is
>> understandably hard to get worked up over
>> Subcommandante Zero's latest communiqué when
>> Hugo Chavez is changing class relationships on the ground.
>> Standing in the same relationship to the
>> autonomist currents that Regis Debray once had
>> with the rural guerrilla groups of the 1960s,
>> British professor John Holloway has been forced
>> to take stock of the situation in an interview
>> conducted by Maria Sitrin, an Argentine autonomist.
>> Holloway is the author of "How to Change the
>> World Without Taking Power" that I reviewed
>> here. It basically argues that "If the state
>> paradigm was the vehicle of hope for much of the
>> century, it became more and more the assassin of
>> hope as the century progressed." It is good for
>> workers to rebel in his view but not good to
>> rule. Whenever I think about such arguments, I
>> am reminded of how my mother's Irish Setter
>> loved to chase cars up our country road but
>> would always return after a few hundred feet of
>> barking wildly. I thought to myself at the time
>> that she wouldn't know what to do with a car if
>> she actually caught one. For Holloway, the
>> working class is in the same situation as my mom's Irish Setter.
>> full:
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