Re: [OPE-L] What is most important in Marx's theory?

Date: Mon Mar 12 2007 - 05:38:57 EDT

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Subject: Re: [OPE-L] What is most important in Marx's theory?
From:    "Riccardo Bellofiore" <>
Date:    Mon, March 12, 2007 3:49 am

At 17:07 -0700 11-03-2007, Rakesh Bhandari wrote:

>but my point is that it does not follow from the historical specificity of
>abstract labor that labor is exploited under capitalism. Or perhaps it
>does, but I don't see the argument.

in fact the stress is on the EXTRACTION  of abstract labour, as
LIVING labour. a point which is specific to Marx. it is exactly where
Marx's  scientificity is unique and unparalled.

>It must be extracted from "labour power" of free subject (a
>>  ONLY capitalist notion) AFTER the labour market, extracting living
>>  labour from workers. All this is very specific. No work, no value
>>  and surplus value. Before capitalism you could have said: well,
>>  technology is stationary, so more output more effort.
>I don't understand the importance of the stationary nature of technology
>in your argument.

what can I say? sorry.

>  Not so in
>>  capitalism, which is quite "dynamic", so there is no reason to
>>  attribute the surplus to workers. Actually, the surplus as such, as
>>  a use value dymension, is due to capital, not to labour!
>Due to capital goods given the scientific knowledge embodied therein or to
>capitalists in their supervisory rather than coordiation functions? Not
>following the argument.

I see.

I also leave it there for now


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