Re: [OPE-L] SV: [OPE-L] SV: [OPE-L] What Ahmadinejad actually said - lost in translation...

From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Fri Jan 26 2007 - 04:43:01 EST

PS. It is obvious beyond all doubt that Kim Jung Ill is a complete maniac, it is not really a loaded question anywhere in the world. I was simply trying to make a point that you cannot equate for example Venzuelian or Australian military development with that in a country like North Korea, or Saudi Arabia, countries which are more than likely to use that force to suppress their own people in a direct way.  
Why is this obvious beyond all doubt?
Because the news media tell you this?
Are there any instances you can show of the North Korean govt using the armed forces to suppress its people?
From what I had gathered those forces are trained and prepared for a war against the USA not for suppressing internal dissent. The building of nuclear weapons and missiles only makes sense in the context of them being targeted on US bases in South Korea and Japan. 

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> This I think is false logic, presuming that nuclear weapons in the hand of maniac 
> leaders like Kim Jong Ill would somehow balance the economic and political strength 
> of America, Russia or the UK. 
He may or not be a 'maniac'  -- a loaded expression and one which could equally
be used to refer to many current or former bourgeois  leaders including  G.W. Bush
and Sharon. 
Of course if North Korea had nuclear weapons it wouldn't balance the _economic_ 
and _political_ strength of the US, Russia, or the UK, etc.  It wouldn't
even balance the _military_ strength of those powers.  But, it  might -- or might not -- 
serve as a military deterrent.  
> I cannot anywhere see how such a development would be beneficial for progressive 
> political movements in other parts of the world. Venezuela recently (last year) agreed 
> with Russia that they would upgrade their military equipment tout court over the nearest 
> future, including the building of a Kalshnikov-factory in Venezuela. A contract all in all 
> worth billions of dollars. These types of transactions happen all the time, and even 
> though the US does not approve officially, they wont do anything about it. Most likely, 
> it's not enough to deter a potential attack from the US more that a few days anyhow.  
> Sweden is now negotiating with Saudi Arabia so we can sell them some fine artillery that 
> they can use to further oppress their people. I cannot see how this would be progressive 
> or beneficial for the democratic movement anywhere.
Do you agree that the Venezuelan people have the right to self-determination and that the 
sovereignty of that nation should be respected?  If so, then they have the right to 
self-defense, don't they?    If we recognize that right then who are we to tell them from 
afar what weapons they should have?  What's wrong with Kalshnikov rifles, anyway?   
The US-sponsored coup failed because the people took to the streets and risked their 
lives to keep  their democratically-elected president from being ousted by military strength.   
A lesson of that failed coup, just like a lesson from the Bay of Pigs in Cuba, is that the 
people have to be prepared to repel an imperialist attack.  Arming workers and the 
poor in militias is a more democratic and popular model than just relying on the 
professional military, isn't it?   (This raises the issue of 'gun control':
so long as the police and the military have guns [i.e. so long as the agents of the state 
have guns], shouldn't workers have the right to be armed as well?  I think that most
of the arguments for nuclear disarmament and gun control are based on liberal 
principles including a liberal perspective on the role of the state. A  non-state
centered perspective would be different.  For that reason most anarchists strongly 
oppose gun control legislation.)
In solidarity, Jerry

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