Re: [OPE-L] Keynes and Marx (German)

From: Paul Cockshott (wpc@DCS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Mon Jan 01 2007 - 16:05:49 EST

I would agree with the point that you make below about co-option, but in the
process the interests of finance capital and the colonial bourgeoisie had to take second place.

But you should not deal with the state in the abstract, abstracting from 
real political parties, their class basis and their programatic aims. Keynes ideas
provided to social democracy a form of political economy that enabled them
to at least carry out some progressive measures. If you contrast the political
economy of Macdonald to that of Atlee you can see the significance of the change
brought about by Keynes.

Paul Cockshott

-----Original Message-----
From: OPE-L on behalf of Dogan Goecmen
Sent: Mon 1/1/2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [OPE-L] Keynes and Marx (German)

It is also necessary to take into account the circumstances of the  class
struggle at the international level. Doing so, it is possible to  argue
that the alliance you suggest was not directed against finance capital  but
against the (revolutionary) socialist movement worldwide, at a time  when
the USSR had defeated nazism and the communists in the countries  occupied
by the Nazi army had been among the main forces that fought the  invadors.
Communism all over the world and the Communist parties in many  Western
European countries increased very significantly their political  influence.
Thus, it was highly necessary for the capitalist class to coopt  their

I find your remarks above extreemly interesting. This is exacly the point  
that explains the success of Keynesianism. This is also the point I was trying  
to make in the passage below.

>> Der Keynesianismus, der ein englisches Produkt  ist, ist auch in
>> diese Tradition einzuordnen und sein Verhältnis zum  Marxismus ist
>> im Lichte dieser Entwicklung zu sehen. Seinerzeit  musste schon der
>> zynische liberale John Stuart Mill, der zuerst die  in England
>> geboren Idee des Sozialismus, zum Fremdkörper erklärte,  musste
>> unter dem Druck der Straße, ohne seinen eklektisch liberalen  Geist
>> aufzugeben, an Marxismus Zugeständnisse machen. Doch nach  der
>> Oktoberrevolution half all das nicht mehr. Da musste  eine
>> konservative Theorie mit einem linken 'Anschein' erfunden  werden.
>> In der Wirtschaftstheorie entspricht der Keynesianismus  diesem
>> Bedürfnis.

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