Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

From: Howard Engelskirchen (howarde@TWCNY.RR.COM)
Date: Sun Nov 19 2006 - 13:21:09 EST

Hi Jerry,

All I meant by quality to quantity was the ordinary dialectical point.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Levy" <Gerald_A_Levy@MSN.COM>
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

> >  It follows that by saying intentionality is characteristic of
> > humans I do not mean to say that it is peculiar or exclusive to humans.
> > In general we should be very suspicious of anything that looks to cut
> > us off  from the rest of the natural world.
> Howard:
> Agreed.
> > At some point quantity becomes quality
> All that need be said is that we are a distinct species which means
> ipso facto that homo sapiens is qualitatively different from other
> species.  The fact that there is species differentiation should not be
> taken to mean that there is qualitative improvement. Rather, it is
> instead merely an adaptation to different material circumstances.
> For example, other mammals (cetaceans, pinnepeds, sirenians)
> adapted to living in the water.  This adaptation should only be seen
> as representing a qualitative improvement from the perspective of
> coping with a changing environment. Also, adaptation often means a
> diminution of certain qualities, e.g. in the transition from the ape
> to homo sapiens the new species became significantly weaker in
> terms of physical strength.
> > and it does look like language marks off such a difference, but this is
> > difference of degree become significant, not something more.
> Recalling a discussion I had recenntly with Jurriaan:
> We know very little about the languages of many species.  We
> should not take a lack of knowledge on _our_ part to mean a lack
> of language on the part of other species.  Until we have a much
> better understanding of other animal languages and modes of
> expression then we should hold in abeyance any claims about
> our use of language relative to the uses and forms of languages
> by other species.
> Conceptions in "modern society" of the relation between humans
> and other species are generally tied more to economic expedience
> and ideology (and cultural-institution-based human chauvinism) than
> to science (and scientists themselves have often had ideological blinkers
> on when considering this subject.)
> In solidarity, Jerry

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