Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

From: clyder@GN.APC.ORG
Date: Sat Nov 18 2006 - 15:50:30 EST

Quoting Rakesh Bhandari <bhandari@BERKELEY.EDU>:
> Can a non human animal distinguish between a movement which is also an
> action and one which is not? If not, then how would a non human animal
> know it has lost the capacity for action?

I am not sure I understand what you mean, or what point
you are making here. Could you give an example that would
clarify it?

I gave the example of caging an animal as an example of depriving
the animal of its capacity for the actions of freely moving about
and seeking food, mates etc.

I also dont understand why you see these points as germane to
Marx original distinction between architects and bees and spiders.

> Are these even empirical
> questions? If not, should we move them on positivist grounds?
> I wish I knew more about the philosophy of action and Donald Davidson's
> writings. I have also tried a couple of times to understand Husserl's and
> Merleau Ponty's ideas about the special intentionality of human
> consciousness but have never felt satisfied. Just marking these
> ideas/questions which I just can't pursue now.But I read you, Dogan, Ian
> and Howard with interest
> Rakesh
> >>  >
> >> > So Bees and Spiders too, have goals for their labour, which goals
> >> > they must presumably store in their heads.
> >>
> >> Are our goals stored in our head; is that where the self is, simply
> >> localized as a neural object? I thought the integrative biologists had
> >> provided good reasons for skepticism. See for example Denis Noble, The
> >> Music of Life: Biology beyond the Genome.
> >>
> > Whether the intentions are stored in the head is not vital, the issue
> > is whether they are internal to the organism or can be externalised
> > in the form of spoken or written instructions. Internal intentions
> > are commonplace among animals, written instructions, are as far as I
> > know unique to civilised humanity.
> >
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