Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of labour

From: Dogan Goecmen (Dogangoecmen@AOL.COM)
Date: Fri Nov 17 2006 - 02:56:07 EST

Of course knew Smith and Marx that value of exchange existed in  
precapitalist societies too. No doubt about this. But unlike in precapitalist  societies, 
in capitalist society it becomes a dominating category. 
In einer eMail vom 16.11.2006 23:58:38 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  

In your article you  also say: 
Deshalb erachtet Marx  den Tauschwert als eine nur der kapitalistischen 
Produktionsweise  eigentümliche Kategorie. 
Therefore, Marx  considers exchange value a category particular only the 
capitalistic mode of  production. 
There has been  extensive debate on this topic on the list over the years. I 
would tend to  argue that Marx, certainly by the time he wrote his Notes on 
Wagner,  considered ‘exchange value’ to be a category specific to ‘commodity 
producing  society’, but that he distinguished between value as such and its 
form of  appearance in commercial society as ‘exchange value’ or price. Exchange 
value  however, as both Smith and Marx knew,  existed prior to capitalism, 
and  value considered as socially necessary labour time, would persist after  
commodity production had been superceded – as is made clear in the Critique of  
the Gotha Program. 
From:  OPE-L [mailto:OPE-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU] On Behalf Of Dogan Goecmen
Sent: 16 November 2006 15:31
Subject: Re: [OPE-L] marx's conception of  labour
In the article I use  Lukacs' Ontology. Thank you for indicating to Carol 
Gould's  work.


In einer eMail vom  16.11.2006 16:26:18 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  

It refers to the  projected aims of the concret work to be done. To build a 
house it must  have been built in our heads and so  on.


I found Lukacs'  discussion of labour and teleology in The Young Hegel very 
insightful.   Also quite interesting is Carol Gould's attempt to derive the 
basic notions  of time (past present future) from the teleological nature of 
labour.   See her book on the Grundrisse.
Sorry can't  elaborate. just sharing notes.




In einer eMail  vom 16.11.2006 15:00:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
>  I  present first the general aspects of Marx's concept of labour:
>  ontological, teleological and sociological. 


What is the  teleological aspect of Marx's concept of  labour?

In solidarity,  Jerry



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