From: Hans G. Ehrbar (ehrbar@LISTS.ECON.UTAH.EDU)
Date: Sun Feb 06 2005 - 21:29:44 EST
Jerry, you asked > So, how does one go about deciding _which_ of these meanings/ > translations is intended by Marx in a particular instance? I did not seem to have much trouble deciding this. The main open question to me was whether I saw enough categories, maybe some of my 3 categories can be divided more. In any case, I just uploaded a new version of my Annotations at http://www.econ.utah.edu/ehrbar/screen.zip with an updated version of glossary.pdf which has all the individual cases of "vorstellen" listed and linked to, with my classification into the three categories listed after this paragraph. I consider this as infrastructural work which gives an overview how Marx was using certain words, from which one can infer whether or not he had a specific meaning for them. What struck me in that exercise was that he is using the word "vorstellen" quite often as a synonymous for "darstellen" (represent). This seems to me a somewhat odd use of the word in German, and I haven't figured out what he wants to say with it -- but then I am also still riddling about the precise meaning of darstellen itself. Another piece in the puzzle. Regarding translations, only case (1) seems to present any difficulties, and the only thing I would say as a general rule is that Vorstellung should not be translated as "concept", because it denotes exactly the kind of thinking which has not yet been brought down to concepts ("auf den Begriff bringen"). Idea, thought, imagination, etc. works. Conception seems better to me than concept, since this seems to have the connotation of a process. Often the translation "notion" is used, I am not sure what to think of this translation. >> (1) Sometimes it means a prescientific thought, idea, hunch, >> imagination. This term comes from Hegel, sometimes >> translated with picture-thinking. >> >> (2) Sometimes it means the same or something very similar to >> darstellen, represent. >> >> (3) The third meaning of "vorgestellt" is: notional, as >> opposed to real. Another German synonym for this meaning is >> ideell (not ideal, there is a difference between the two). You also asked: > Did Hegel also use vorstellung, in some contexts, to mean (2) > and (3)? I am not enough an expert on Hegel to know for sure, but my guess would be that Hegel uses it in meaning (3) since everybody does, and he does not use it in meaning (2). > In solidarity, Jerry Thank you for your interest, Hans.
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