Re: (OPE-L) Re: The Amish in a fossil-fuel depleting world -- Nader/Camejo

From: Paul Zarembka (zarembka@BUFFALO.EDU)
Date: Wed Sep 29 2004 - 11:08:07 EDT


For the first time in my life I'm teaching environmental economics
and becoming much more aware of fossil fuel depletion and global warming.

I don't know how to fit the Amish into modes of production issues (inc.
capitalism), but I do know that the recent book *Powerdown* offers the
Amish as a lesson how at least some could simply survive the end of the
fossil fuel era.  In any case, in no way was I suggesting the Amish form
of production as a model within capitalism.  Capitalism is itself the

Sorry, but I don't have a big program to offer anyone; it's all too scary!

Paul Z.

Vol.21-Neoliberalism in Crisis, Accumulation, and Rosa Luxemburg's Legacy
RESEARCH IN POLITICAL ECONOMY, Zarembka/Soederberg, eds, Elsevier Science

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, Gerald A. Levy wrote:

> Hi Paul Z.
> > Since Sept. 13, the Nader/Camejo web site carries every day a new
> > 'featured national asset', today being The Amish.  Without saying so but
> > connected to yesterday's press release for the Nader/Camejo Campaign --
> > "Global Climate Change Requires Us to Break Our Addiction to Fossil
> > Fuels", it offers a way forward as humanity destroys millions of years of
> > fossil fuel build-up.
> While Amish communities can not be considered to be "Utopian
> Socialist"  -- perhaps "Utopian Capitalist" might be a better description --
> the belief that the Amish experience and lifestyle can be generalized
> while the capitalist mode of production dominates and this "offers a
> way forward" could be subjected to a critique similar to Marx's critique
> of Utopians like Owen and Fourier, don't you think?  Of course,
> many radical environmentalists -- including a lot of my anarchist
> friends -- reject that critique of Marx and defend Utopianism.
> The ideology of the Green Party is, at least partially, self-consciously
> Utopian, I think.
> "Is small beautiful?" is a related question.
> In solidarity, Jerry

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