Re: (OPE-L) Re: Advisory Committee

From: Rakesh Bhandari (rakeshb@STANFORD.EDU)
Date: Mon May 17 2004 - 14:41:03 EDT

>Rakesh appears to be digging a larger and larger hole for himself.
>Rakesh stop digging! Jerry has kept this list going though thick and
>thin and I for one am grateful to him. Rakesh's arguments are not
>serious because they have no useful practical consequences, other
>than a vague liberal position  that someone else should do the job
>because Jerry has been doing it a long time.

David, take a moment and read the criticism I actually wrote. Note
Paul Z's criticism as well.

>  I am not impressed by such a position because it  nearly always
>hides some other real unstated standpoint.

Again read what has been stated. What I have in mind only seems
unstated because you have not read what I actually stated. Use the
technology; quote my posts and then respond to them.

>It is really sour grapes for Rakesh to argue that those supporting
>Jerry have differences with him.

People have already walked from this list.

>  I suppose I do as well but so what! You cannot expect us to take
>such arguments seriously. We have to be practical! No one has really
>been prevented from airing their views on this list in a reasonable
>form, least of all Rakesh.
>David Yaffe

May I remind you that this is not a fight about Chavez's
revolutionary credentials. Read what has actually been written in
criticism of Levy's moderation. Note that Levy was forced to appoint
an advisory committee because of the problems that Paul and others
had over his handling of TSS. And then Levy made sure that he would
have veto power of the advisory committee.

This is not a fight between Rakesh and Levy. It's primarily a fight
between many people who have already left  and Levy. Their absence
impoverishes this list.


>At 08:57 17/05/04 -0400, you wrote:
>>  > Before your one week of silence on the issue of the list itself  .
>>>  [...], please let us know whom  is on the Advisory Committee
>>>  and how they are selected.
>>Paul Z and others:
>>The current membership of the Advisory Committee (AC) consists
>>of Allin Cottrell ( ) and Fred Moseley
>>( ).  Alfredo Saad-Filho had been a
>>member of the AC but resigned that position in December.
>>There is no specified term for AC members.  Both Fred and Allin
>>have many other professional and other responsibilities and I'm
>>sure at some point that they would like to be relieved.
>>Decisions about adding members to the AC are made on the
>>basis of consensus between the AC and myself.   In all matters
>>(except where the conduct of an AC member or myself is being
>>investigated) we are committed to arriving at decisions by way
>>of consensus.
>>We had recently discussed adding someone to the AC but that
>>comrade hasn't replied yet.
>>In solidarity, Jerry
>>PS: Fred informed me yesterday that he will be leaving for
>>S. Korea today for two weeks and will not be available to
>>participate in AC discussions during that time.

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