Re: (OPE-L) [Jurriaan on] Unproductive consumption

From: Paul Cockshott (clyder@GN.APC.ORG)
Date: Fri Apr 30 2004 - 18:20:04 EDT

On Friday 30 Apr 2004 05:20, michael a. lebowitz wrote:
> At 17:40 29/04/2004, Paul C wrote:
> >The wages of workers in Europe and the US are above the
> >value of labour power if this is taken to be the reproduction
> >cost of labour. This is born out by the fact that labour can
> >be reproduced much more cheaply in India or China.
>          Doesn't the set of necessaries underlying the value of
> labour-power have something to do with historically developed social needs,
> which become second nature?

I suspect that given time and mobility of capital,
some historically developed social necessities might
be found by the ruling class to be not so necessary
after all.

I accept your argument that the actual wage is determined
by conditions of class struggle, but this allows it to be
raised above what is strictly necessary for reproduction.

> >It is only a commitment to the working class interest that
> >inhibits Marxists from admiting this.
> You mean we are dishonest?

We want to defend the actual real wage from being reduced
so we say that it is no more than the value of labour power.
I suspect that it is well above the value of labour power, but
of course workers are still exploited.

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