Re: (OPE-L) Re: Subcase missing on Chapter 3, Vol III

From: Francisco Paulo Cipolla (cipolla@UFPR.BR)
Date: Mon Oct 20 2003 - 13:46:39 EDT

Hi Jerry and colleagues
Regarding the absence of the 4th subcase I do not think it has any
profound consequences. I am just puzzled by the fact that the subcase is
not analysed given the detailled way Marx always proceeds.
Regarding Jerrys suggestion to look elsewhere, a possible previous
analyses made by Marx which may have suggested to him that it was
unnecessary to develop the case in Chapter III, I must say this: all the
references Marx makes at the beggining of the  chapter do not have a
bearing on the point I am making. The first reference (book II, chapter
XVI) has to do with the number of turnovers. Here Marx is reminding us
that the formula for the rate od profit he is going to use in the
present chapter is valid for one turnover period only. The second
reference (Book I, chapter X) has to with the extra profits obtained by
a more efficient capitalist whose products having an individual value
below the social value can nonetheless be sold at a price near the
social, thereby obtaining extra profits. This greater efficiency comes
from a higher productivity of labor which in the present chapter he is
considering constant. (This is a possible source of confusion because
along the chapter he refers to the consequences of his examples in terms
of rising or declining productivities. However, these are consequences
of assuming changes in the value composition of capital which for him
"always express a definite degree of labor productivity" p.51:
International Publishers, 1967).
Regarding working day, intensity and wages "the same applies" p.51. He
is considering them as constants except when as a result of the very
examples that are given it is necessary to take into account changes in
either the working day, intensity or wages to make the examples coherent
with the initial assumptions. But these are consequences of the
examples. It does not seem to me that this could have made superfluous
the case I think is missing.

gerald_a_levy wrote:

> Paolo  wrote: > p1 = (s1/s)(C/C1)p,
> > where p1=rate of profit modified
> >           s1=rate of surplus value modified
> >            s=original rate of surplus value
> >            C=total capital
>  >           C1=total capital modified
>  >           p=original rate of profit Suppose, for the sake of
> discussion, that we accepted the aboveas valid.  Does it suggest any
> insights that weren't developedelsewhere by Marx?  Does it have any
> implications for subjectsthat are analysed later by Marx or are
> "post-Capital" topics? > The very motivation of that chapter suggests
> to me that whaever case> there was it was supposed to be analysed
> there. Marx  in fact analyses> cases that are unlikely to occur (as he
> himself says it). What special> reason would have made him omit that
> one case? It is just not there. I'm not convinced that this case was
> "supposed" to be there(see excerpt below from a prior post).  Nor do I
> comprehendyet the significance for you of it not being there (see
> above). In solidarity, Jerry >   I think, though, that one should also
> ask whether he didn't>  discuss the sub-case you mention because he
> felt that he had>  already discussed that subject elsewhere.  He seems
> to say as>  much early on in Ch. 3:  "The same applies to the
> remaining>  three factors:*length of working day, intensity of labour,
> and wages.*>  Their influenceon the mass and rate of surplus-value
> was>  developed in detail inVolume 1 [Chapter 17]...." (Ibid, p. 143).

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