Re: (OPE-L) Re: subjects and objects in capitalism

From: Paul Bullock (paulbullock@EBMS-LTD.CO.UK)
Date: Sun Oct 05 2003 - 16:51:38 EDT

Dear Kevin,

Under capitalism, what would happen if we didn't work? Lets not worry about being compensated for it... lets just say we didn't. Nothing would get produced. Nothing to worry about then! No value! No life either.

The apologists of the ruling classes always come up with the 'displeasure' , 'disutlity, 'cost' etc that falling in to the fate of being a worker would bring... and the middles classes sympathise with this dreadful fate too. They worry terribly about  the compensation they would need to spend a day or so working in order to live... theorised as a  marginal consideration..a marginal cost, since they don't have too, but might well have to as individuals at some time.  What compensation  one should get for failing to live off the surplus labour time of others, and having to join in work oneself  is indeed a serious matter ! Naturally this 'psychological' trauma has to be reflected upon, however leisurely a sabatical one might take. One needs to calm ones nerves. 

However the question can only be posed if  we assume that the enquirer is not already a worker.  A worker should be asking why they get so little of what they produce and why so much is consumed by those who don't produce their own  material conditions of existence. 

Paul Bullock
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gerald_a_levy 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 8:25 PM
  Subject: (OPE-L) Re: subjects and objects in capitalism

  An archives reader, Kevin Carson, sent the following message
  and I am forwarding it to you with his permission.  He is in
  error in attributing the quote below to me but I guess it doesn't 
  really matter who originally wrote it.  

  How would you answer Kevin?

  In solidarity, Jerry

  PS: Note the web site address at the end of his message.  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kevin Carson 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 12:07 AM
  Subject: Re: (OPE-L) Re: subjects and objects in capitalism

  Mr. Levy,

  I just stumbled across this quote from a post of yours.

  What I find strange, not to say eery, in such discussions of the labour theory of value is that the question, What is valuable about labour?, is not posed. What does it mean for something to have value, to be valuable?

  It struck me as quite on the mark, since it coincides with my own line of inquiry over the last year or so.  I've been attempting to rehabilitate the labor theory of value in the face of the neoclassical/Austrian critique, while incorporating the useful insights of marginalism.  

  Your question is very close to one asked by Bohm-Bawerk in Positive Theory of Capital.  He argued that Adam Smith, in his picture of labor as the basis of value in primitive commodity exchange, provided no reason why this could be so.  The labor theory not only of Smith, but of Ricardo and Marx, lacked any mechanism or philosophical basis.  This, I think, was a fair criticism; likewise, his criticism of Marx's attempts to salvage the labor-time standard by reducing complex to simple labor was justified.

  The key to a solution, I think, is Smith's idea of labor as "toil and trouble," interpreted in the light of Hodgskin's "voluntary higgling" theory of distribution and Benjamin's challenge "What is a cost but labor?" Since economics is a science of human behavior, it stands to reason that any theory of value must be rooted in human psychology.  The labor theory of value, to be salvaged, must be refounded on a subjective basis; the only alternative is to elevate "value" to a quasi-metaphysical status.  We must abandon a labor theory based on objective labor-time and replace it with one based on the subjective disutility experienced by the laborer.  The subjective mechanism can be reduced to an axiomatic understanding of human nature, comparable to the a priori approach of Mises in his praxeology.

  The Austrians themselves have admitted that labor is "disutility" in a unique way, besides simply involving opportunity costs in the same sense as other expenditures.  Only labor is "travail," involving a subjective sense of effort.  All other forms of "real cost" or "sacrifice," by comparison, are only relative to the available alternatives in a given context.  Only labor is a real cost in the sense that it must be compensated for a producer to continue bringing his goods to market.  Equilibrium price, for goods in elastic supply with no market entry barriers, must be enough to compensate the laborer for his total toil and trouble involved not only in production but in raising the funds for outlays.  But if it is more, competitors will enter the market until the price falls to a level just sufficient to cover this disutility.  This is rooted in an a priori assumption of human nature.  In the long run, sellers can only charge for what is a real cost--and again, as Tucker said, "what but labor is a cost?"

  James Buchanan hinted at this psychological mechanism in describing the reason for labor-time as a basis for exchange of beaver for deer.  On the assumption that "hunters are... rational utility-maximizing individuals," it makes sense that if it typically takes one day's time to acquire either a beaver or two deer, but a beaver exchanges for three deer, no rational person will waste labor hunting deer.  

  So the rule is that the equilibrium prices of goods in elastic supply will be proportional to the toil and trouble or disutility involved in their production, and that deviations from this price will occur only because of scarcity rents of one kind or another.  The produce of labor will be distributed among laborers, through the "voluntary higgling of the market," according to their respective feelings of disutility.  Non-labor factors, like capital and land, will have a price only when the seller is in a monopoly position of controlling access to them.  Without the State's enforcement of banking market entry barriers and of absentee landlord claims, the interest rate will fall to the labor cost of administering loans against property, and the price of land will fall to the labor value of improvements.  

  One genuine innovation of the Austrians was Bohm-Bawerk's time preference theory.  But as B-B himself admitted, the steepness of time preference varies a great deal with the distribution of property and the relative degree of self-sufficiency and security of the laboring classes.  So the present high degree of time preference, among laborers, is largely a historical result of primitive accumulation.  As for the residuum of time preference that would exist in an egalitarian market society, Maurice Dobb has argued that time-preference can be adequately explained as a scarcity rent of present labor vs. future labor.

  Sorry for the long rant.  I'm in the process of organizing the results of 16 months' intensive reading, and your post struck a chord.


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