Re: (OPE-L) dreams and nightmares

From: Nicola Taylor (19518173@STUDENT.MURDOCH.EDU.AU)
Date: Sat May 17 2003 - 06:43:20 EDT

Nice!  But this seems (to me) a lot to ask of Jerry, who is already doing a
superhuman job of keeping this site going (along with Alfredo, Fred and
Allin).  What is wrong with simply expressing a 'personal opinion' in a
public forum??  That is anyway what I have been doing...


> I think Chris is right on openness. May I ask Jerry if it is possible
> to open for these kind of discussions a parallel closed site?
> r
> At 13:02 +0100 17-05-2003, Christopher Arthur wrote:
> >And I say I agree with Riccardo. (And also Fred)
> >But this illustrates also why I was, and remain, opposed  to a public
> >archive. I would like to hear a discussion and particpate but I do not
> >to word things as carefully as I would in a letter to the press.
> >Chris A
> >
> >>At 11:22 -0600 16-05-2003, Hans Ehrbar wrote:
> >>>In the times of imperialist attack on Cuba I consider it the
> >>>duty of every progressive either to support Cuba or, if you
> >>>feel you cannot do this, to stay silent, because everything
> >>>critical you say at this moment will be used as further
> >>>pretext for the attacks on Cuba.  The actions by the Cubans
> >>>which you object to were undertaken as a defense against US
> >>>attacks.  We have to try to stop the imperialists, instead
> >>>of second-guessing the actions Cuba is undertaking to defend
> >>>itself.  This seems so obvious to me that I am embarrassed
> >>>to send it to this list.  I am only saying it for the record
> >>>so that people perusing the archives will not get a false
> >>>impression.
> >>>
> >>>Hans.
> >>
> >>
> >>hans, four (no, five) things:
> >>
> >>(i) we decided to 'open' the list, so we decided to make debates
> >>openly. if we don't want that, we should close the list. or Jerry
> >>should open some parallel, closed site to discuss openly among
> >>comrades this kind of stuff.
> >>
> >>(ii) 'to stay silent'? I don't know why, but I have heard this kind
> >>of things many many times. I don't like the expression: neither the
> >>form nor the substance.
> >>
> >>(iii) I strongly support Cuba against US attacks. I repeat: strongly.
> >>And I condemn any 'pretext' to attack Cuba. But I do not justify the
> >>actions undertaken by Cuba, as you do. By the way, they are giving
> >>USA more 'pretexts'. There is a dissent among us on this. You cannot
> >>take your opinion as granted. I respect it, but mine is very
> >>different.
> >>
> >>(iv) in my mind (and unfortunately I can think only with my mind, and
> >>speak accordingly) what I said in prior mail is exactly the most
> >>friendly approach to Cuba, it' s the only way I see to support Cuba:
> >>avoid (or insist in) serious and dramatic errors. there is no
> >>second-guessing. those actions are patently wrong, are against what
> >>communism (at least, libertarian communism) is and should be, as end
> >>and as means.
> >>
> >>(v) should I say that those who do not understand this are really
> >>working against Cuba, and should then stay silent? it's not my
> >>attitude, frankly. I am interested in listening their opinions and
> >>arguments.
> >>
> >>r
> >>
> >
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