[OPE-L:6321] Re: recent science and society and Fred M's interpretation (fwd)

From: glevy@pratt.edu
Date: Tue Jan 15 2002 - 21:33:50 EST

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From: Rakesh Bhandari <rakeshb@stanford.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:50:31 -0800

>Re Rakesh's [6315]:
>>  My first answer is simple and predictable: if the average rate of
>>  profit is not ultimately determined by labor time relations, then
>>  capitalism cannot give rise to those contradictions in the
>>process > of production that Marx, as a materialist, thought were
>>  precondition for the revolutionary activity of the only the
>>  subject that Marx  thought had even the latent power to actually
>>  effect a transition in the mode of production--the working class.
>What specificially are the 'contradictions' in the process of
>production which are the 'precondition' for revolutionary activity
>by the working class

had grossman's conclusion in mind.

>  and why can't this same conclusion concerning the working class be
>derived sans value analysis?

his conclusion depends on FROP which is invalidated by use value or
physical surplus theory.

Is FROP possible without LTV? I think a strong foundation for this
developmental tendency is impossible without LTV. I may be wrong.

>A historical note: Marx was a dedicated revolutionary who believed
>in the revolutionary role of the working class -- from a materialist
>'scientific socialist' perspective -- long before he developed his
>critique of political economy.

Please elaborate on significance of this important point.


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