[OPE-L:4121] Re: Re: use value and value

From: ECUSERS (ECBURKE@scifac.indstate.edu)
Date: Mon Oct 16 2000 - 20:48:46 EDT

Hi Michael:

Well, I guess I would say partly so.  Is not the speed and ease with 
which one can complete a task ITSELF part of the "use value" yielded 
by the calculator versus the slide rule?  Hence when (in my first 
example) I referred to the two goods doing the exact same job, this 
had to mean in the exact same time.  (I am sure there are some jobs 
that a skilled slide rulist can do just as fast as with a calculator -
- leaving aside the possible greater aesthetic pleasure from using a 
slide rule, which must also be counted in the use value.)

Cheers, Paul B.

> Paul, that was exactly my point.  A slide rule still does what it 
did 20 years ago.  It is just that we can do it better now.

> > 
> > In terms of the Levy-Perelman discussion, if the job done by the 
> > two commodities is exactly the same (e.g., simply counting things up 
> > or doing the exact same calculation when comparing a slide rule to a 
> > calculator), then it is clearly the unit value (value per unit of use 
> > value) that has changed.  My guess is though, that that there are a 
> > lot more examples where the character of the use value changes along 
> > with changes in the value of the commodity that provides that use 
> > value.  For example, a calculator can do things that you just can't 
> > do with a slide rule.  But then there are other examples where a 
> > commodity crowds out other competing commodities because it has a 
> > lower value, even if the use value(s) it produces is/are in some ways 
> > inferior to the one(s) it replaces.
> > 
> > In general I would think that the use value(s) yielded by a commodity 
> > are usually inseparable from the material shape of the commodity 
> > itself, so that changes in value and use value normally occur 
> > together.  This is perhaps most clear in the case of services but I 
> > would need to think about this more.  How would the connection 
> > between value and use value differ if at all for services compared to 
> > material goods?  Cheers, Paul Burkett
> > 
> > 
> -- 
> Michael Perelman
> Economics Department
> California State University
> Chico, CA 95929
> Tel. 530-898-5321
> E-Mail michael@ecst.csuchico.edu

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