[OPE-L:3512] Re: Re: Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism

From: Steve Keen (stevekeen10@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jun 20 2000 - 01:28:59 EDT

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That should have been "need not" embrace idealism, of course; I was in a
hurry when I typed that! Sorry,

>From: "Steve Keen" <stevekeen10@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
>To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
>Subject: [OPE-L:3510] Re: Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism
>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:33:15 EST
>If I can add a reading recommendation to Allin's (which I second), there is
>also a non-stochastic vision of quantum mechanics, developed by David Bohm.
>It is alleged to have some currency amongst physicists these days, though
>generally speaking it is the "heterodoxy" to the Copenhagen orthodoxy.
>The best reference is:
>Albert, D.Z., 1992. <$[Publication>Quantum mechanics and
>experience<$]Publication>, Harvard University Press, Cambridge
>but there's also a shorter version:
>1994. “Bohm’s alternative to Quantum Mechanics”, <$[Publication>Scientific
>American<$]Publication>, <$[Volume>270 <$]Volume> No. 5: 32-39.
>I don't know what has happened to this idea since string theory--but at
>least it shows that even Physics needed embrace idealism!
>>From: Allin Cottrell <cottrell@wfu.edu>
>>Reply-To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
>>To: ope-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu
>>Subject: [OPE-L:3508] Re: Marxism and 19th century materialism
>>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
>>I agree wholeheartedly with most of Paul C's posting 3507.
>>My only disagreement is with his take on the "Copenhagen
>>interpretation" of quantum theory:
>> > Our blessed delivery from 19th century materialism by the
>> > Copenhagen interpretation is a delivery from the demons of
>> > Darwinian atheism and atheistic communism.
>>I don't believe that Niels Bohr had any such "delivery" in mind
>>when he formulated his philosophical gloss on the scientific
>>discoveries in which he played so large a part. He was
>>struggling honestly with the implications of the new quantum
>>findings, without any prior commitment to philosophical
>>idealism. (I do agree, however, that later commentators --
>>lacking Bohr's intimate knowledge of the actual physics -- have
>>taken the "Copenhagen interpretation" as a springboard for
>>instrumentalist and idealist musings.)
>>On this topic I recommend P. K. Feyerabend's "Realism,
>>Rationalism and Scientific Method" (Philosophical Papers,
>>Vol. 1) Cambridge, 1981, especially the essay "Niels Bohr's
>>world view".
>>Allin Cottrell.
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